can't reach / http://dev.hostbillapp.com

[enddo]

Today I was only reaching dev.hostbillapp.com as I do for help.hostbillapp.com
Now I cannot reach dev.hostbillapp.com it has been removed.
Lawrance do you have any idea about this?

[tallship]

I just checked myself from here and it came up okay at:

https://dev.hostbillapp.com/

There have been reports of things going offline and then coming back up again, although the only thing I've personally observed is the disappearance of the official kbkp forums there.

[Patrick]

I can also access it no problem.  This is the second report now.  1st with help. now dev.  Sounds like ISP's caching too long.  I'd suggest changing your DNS to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and see if it works for you

[Paul]

I accessed it to see... and the authentication form was pretty mangled, and had this nice line...

To log in use your email and password from hostbillapp.com/clientarea
Access is available for accounts created before 2013-05-24

whaaaaat? Now he's going to restrict who can even SEE how to develop for it? why on earth is he trying to isolate himself? does he think he can develop and update every module? because that's clearly a joke. it's impressive the many he's done... but they're all buggy, if they even work, and many are outdated. the more devs, the better for hostbill. someone explain this to him! where is he getting his business sense from? his comrades in Poland are giving him terrible advice...

[enddo]

I reached it too but from https://dev.hostbillapp.com with wordpress authorization via my hostbill account.
Probably Kris Try to keep dev part for licence owners.
No problem.
But it might be much easier for me if it is under help.hostbillapp.com

[Patrick]

I accessed it to see... and the authentication form was pretty mangled, and had this nice line...

To log in use your email and password from hostbillapp.com/clientarea
Access is available for accounts created before 2013-05-24

whaaaaat? Now he's going to restrict who can even SEE how to develop for it? why on earth is he trying to isolate himself? does he think he can develop and update every module? because that's clearly a joke. it's impressive the many he's done... but they're all buggy, if they even work, and many are outdated. the more devs, the better for hostbill. someone explain this to him! where is he getting his business sense from? his comrades in Poland are giving him terrible advice...

Thanks for pointing that out.  I thought the dev area looked nice then i seen your post (i'm guilty of not clicking anything past the main page on the developer site) and i now see the login part and i laughed out loud.  I won't say anything more about it but i truly and honestly laughed out loud.  Just speechless.

[enddo]

This is only a hypothesis
But it might be because of modulesgarden
What I understand from modules garden projects there are some issues between them.

[Patrick]

This is only a hypothesis
But it might be because of modulesgarden
What I understand from modules garden projects there are some issues between them.

So let's punish all potential developers and even customers from future custom development as third party modules will not exist.   What issues are there between them and MG ?

[tallship]

I'm half tempted to...

Careful Patrick, one never really knows who is lurking and everything here can be gaargled

Besides, I don't think that content is under Creative Commons or a similar copyright umbrella. I hope it's not yet another ploy to offload their responsibilities onto us here, I can't imagine how that would be of benefit, and if there's truth to this grudge theory there's certainly a conflict w/kbkp's [previously published] advertising or statements to the effect of a vibrant and open third party community of developers - or something to that effect.

It sort of reminds of of Pink Floyd, the wall, when Tony Tennille walked into the zombie's (Pink's) hotel room and said, "Are all these your guitars?", never receiving a response.

[Patrick]

Careful Patrick, one never really knows who is lurking and everything here can be gaargled

Besides, I don't think that content is under Creative Commons or a similar copyright umbrella. I hope it's not yet another ploy to offload their responsibilities onto us here, I can't imagine how that would be of benefit, and if there's truth to this grudge theory there's certainly a conflict w/kbkp's [previously published] advertising or statements to the effect of a vibrant and open third party community of developers - or something to that effect.

It sort of reminds of of Pink Floyd, the wall, when Tony Tennille walked into the zombie's (Pink's) hotel room and said, "Are all these your guitars?", never receiving a response.

I'd edit my post as you're right but every user has access to view edit history so it's kind of pointless to edit.  I don't think there is a legal leg to stand on republishing their developer documentation.  Who knows, i just know i've never seen the world locked away from a developer section lol.

lol @ pink floyd comment. 

[thetrusteeco]

Seriously?  There's a KBKP (HostBill) /INBS (ModulesGardens) conflict? 

That's disappointing.  I thought we might have some real progress with 3rd Party developers.  I know the owner of Vasicka Software has had a *very difficult*  time communicating with Kris.

I'm not a Kris-basher but having dealt with both his support and GardenModules support, I think it's more likely Kris causing it.  That's just conjecture of course.  (Sorry if I'm wrong Kris.)

I was hoping for a KBKP-INBS partnership as ModuleGardens are great at what Kris' terrible at: communication and testing.  Both are Polish companies.  Imagine what Kris and the ModuleGardens team could do together in 5 years with HostBill and ByteCP.  They'd be the next Parallels! (And if Kris wasn't in charge of the pricing they could be the next cPanel/WHMCS conspiracy partnership.)

If there is a problem, that is very disappointing.  In the last email I sent Chris at WHMCS, I told him that ModuleGardens is what makes WHMCS worth having.  If they go the Blesta, as some of the people in their forum have suggested, I'll follow them.  Maybe not for my HostBill site, but definitely for my WHMCS sites, which I've wanted to port over to HostBill for 2 years!

(Kris: please focus on the bugs in the core, and open up the App dev for 3rd Parties.)

[Patrick]

Seriously?  There's a KBKP (HostBill) /INBS (ModulesGardens) conflict? 

That's disappointing.  I thought we might have some real progress with 3rd Party developers.  I know the owner of Vasicka Software has had a *very difficult*  time communicating with Kris.

I'm not a Kris-basher but having dealt with both his support and GardenModules support, I think it's more likely Kris causing it.  That's just conjecture of course.  (Sorry if I'm wrong Kris.)

I was hoping for a KBKP-INBS partnership as ModuleGardens are great at what Kris' terrible at: communication and testing.  Both are Polish companies.  Imagine what Kris and the ModuleGardens team could do together in 5 years with HostBill and ByteCP.  They'd be the next Parallels! (And if Kris wasn't in charge of the pricing they could be the next cPanel/WHMCS conspiracy partnership.)

If there is a problem, that is very disappointing.  In the last email I sent Chris at WHMCS, I told him that ModuleGardens it what makes WHMCS worth having.  If they go the Blesta, as some of the people in their forum have suggested, I'll follow them.  Maybe not for my HostBill site, but defiantly for my WHMCS sites, which I've wanted to port over to HostBill for 2 years!

(Kris: please focus on the bugs in the core, and open up the App dev for 3rd Parties.)

Don't say sorry to Kris.  He is a very difficult person to work with.  Refuses any help, refuses to communicate, refuses anything.  I also believe it's Kris causing any conflict if that were the case.  My understanding is ServerTastic is still waiting to hear from Kris also to make changes to the module and so far nothing has happened. 

He is ignoring everything, everyone existing and potential.  His business is a cash grab right now.  What drives me absolutely nuts is that hostbill is amazing (the software) and it's run by someone who doesn't give a damn.  It's mind boggling.  The guy could be a very rich man, i'm speaking in the millions with his type of development if he became business smart, but he's trying his hardest to stop his business from growth.

[thetrusteeco]

I might be reading Kris wrong, but he really reminds me of some coders I know that are head-down-in-the-code all the time, with no perspective of what's happening around them.

As I said in another post, I think he might be autistic, but that's just a guess based on other autistic people I've known and worked with.  It's possible he's just anti-social, or an out-right jerk.  I've never met him in person, and would rather give him the benefit of the doubt.

He is still putting out new versions.  If he's the only coder there now (I heard all his staff quit, but don't know if it's true), then there's not much more he can do.  Communication would be nice though.

I agree about potential ...so much potential!  Honestly, I think $millions is underselling it (HostBill + ByteCP + does he want to make cloud software next?).  He needs a good business/customer service partnership.  I guess the real question is, who would want to work with this guy?  If it's autism I think most business people could work around it, but if he's just a jerk...

[Patrick]

I might be reading Kris wrong, but he really reminds me of some coders I know that are head-down-in-the-code all the time, with no perspective of what's happening around them.

As I said in another post, I think he might be autistic, but that's just a guess based on other autistic people I've known and worked with.  It's possible he's just anti-social, or an out-right jerk.  I've never met him in person, and would rather give him the benefit of the doubt.

He is still putting out new versions.  If he's the only coder there now (I heard all his staff quit, but don't know if it's true), then there's not much more he can do.  Communication would be nice though.

I agree about potential ...so much potential!  Honestly, I think $millions is underselling it (HostBill + ByteCP + does he want to make cloud software next?).  He needs a good business/customer service partnership.  I guess the real question is, who would want to work with this guy?  If it's autism I think most business people could work around it, but if he's just a jerk...

Well if i were to gander a guess, i would put a much more realistic number for something like hostbill alone but saying "millions" means breaking a barrier and showing success is what i was pointing out.  I don't ever see bytecp making it too far.  He would need far more development to make it even considerable.  Interworx is $295 or something around that number for an owned license and that has a decent sized staff, great customer service and they attend hostcon (including this year)

Considering his attitude, i'm going to go with your guess as well.  You have to go the logical route and that is what makes sense at this point in time

[thetrusteeco]

Personally, I have no interest in ByteCP either.  But I would have said the same just a few months before I bought my HostBill license.

My point was Kris codes quick.  In 6 month, we both might be looking a ByteCP to replace whatever we're running now.  But for Kris to get from here to there he needs help on the Biz end of his company.  He needs someone to handle the "other stuff" so he can focus on code.  He also needs someone to test, and fix his code.  He needs a team.

With the right people supporting him there is no limit.  By himself ... here we are.

Kris, if you read this, please do not invest anymore time in ByteCP until the HostBill bugs are fixed.  That's your real money maker right now. I am just stating an opinion about your company's long-term potential.