HostBill new price page Features List

[sysbitnet]

Hello Good People,


HostBill team create new page and compare all verion https://hostbillapp.com/list-features/

[nibb]

I was also looking at the page and all prices are up now, including 3 licenses, the lite, Owned Enterprise and prices of modules, except some I could not find which are not listed.

Lite is cheap, 100$, and 45$ updates after that. Owned and Enterprise do not have recurring prices, but in all cases you need to pay each year for updates to modules, makes sense but does not say how much.

Well, first I said it before. Nobody needs all modules. How many hosting companies have hosting, domains, servers, dns, cloud, and everything? If you do, you are probably big enough to pay the prices. Most will need only domains, or domains and hosting, in this case it would be just plesk or just cpanel, or just virtualmin, etc.

So the lite license makes sense. If you grow you can add more. 45$ updates seems ok, if you can´t pay that every year don´t start a hosting business

Paying for updates on modules can work, having more modules will of course make you pay more each year, but then again you are not going to have modules you don´t use.

I think this model can work but I still have some interesting questions.

How is he going to stop people getting the Lite and installing a module from someone else that has another license? I mean will he rely on honesty? Someone getting the lite and then putting modules into it from somewhere else?

The owned and enterprise, do not make clear what is the different, except the enterprise seems a better choice as last time I checked the IPAM module was 200$ and the colo 400$. So 1000$ looks very attractive with both of those modules included. Cheaper than getting the license and having to add this modules separately as they where always extra anyway.

But what if you have the owned and want this modules? The pricing page seems not to list all of them, the cloud monitoring is missing, the colo module is missing, etc. Also, which version do old license holders have? Enterprise? I mean those before the separation of modules.

[sysbitnet]

Well, first I said it before. Nobody needs all modules. How many hosting companies have hosting, domains, servers, dns, cloud, and everything? If you do, you are probably big enough to pay the prices. Most will need only domains, or domains and hosting, in this case it would be just plesk or just cpanel, or just virtualmin, etc.

Of course you do not need all the plugin for more than the average hosting company. But even they are not included as basic as the cPanel/WHM, DirectAdmin, Plesk, Enkompass, Helm, Ensim, InterWorx, DotNetPanel/WebsitePanel, Lxadmin, Virtualmin Pro, XPanel . . .

All menage systems such as WHMCS and others in their tender have enough till the basic things to any home company had enough till the basic ability to run their businesses. Whereas if I saw that Kris price changes from month to month and a home company should pay for HostBill solution at least 400 $ a maybe more. Are we FREE lite version if I have to buy additional modules to manage other system right no money for cpanel your license. How could he live support me then I have to buy. In the end it turns out that the final amount of some basic utilities exceeds the average value for the lease of any Owner non brand licenses such as:

Blesta Owned Unbranded One time: $210
Blesta Owned Lifetime One time: $500


ClientExec Owned Plus Unbranded One time: $324

ISP BILLmanager


WHMCS One Time No Branding $324.95


There are still a couple of companies engaged in the development of this team manage system but I chose this one. All these solutions have one bit each, and that HostBill long gone. And it is Ticket Support *

Include in WHMCS
* Owned Licenses include 1 Year Support & Updates access with the initial purchase. After the first year, support & updates access can be optionally renewed to maintain access at a cost of just $44.95 per year.

In HostBill one ticket support is $75 woooow for what ?


I'd been waiting for me to reply again support, not my question, but at the suggestion of what to document in the code is there a problem right bug report barely to follow and to correct errors.


I have to correct one of the many mistakes I sent welcomed a full year to be a time when this problem corrected.  wooow big time


Surely I'm not the only one on this forum with this experience, but since they changed the rules 2013-05-26 once really popular application HostBill has become a daily topic in all forums spitting and disappointment. Can I say that at one point to 50% application is not functional.




I write publicly express their opinion backed by Unprofitable prices for Licenses, Plugins, Modules, Themes, Orderpages Also to HostBill survived percent this current situation will soon disappear and will be past. You need to be realistic as to the price and so that apps and other store to other developers have had a motive to make modules that Kris never or does not want to develop.

As he did Cpanel, WHMCS and many other software solutions


Best regards,

[nibb]

I don´t see a problem with that. You don´t necessary need both Plesk and cPanel or even any of them if you just need billing. I know some people don´t need any of those basic modules, because every company is different, some may only need the billing features and automation, and some may only need this today but plan to automating something with a module in the future. You are just seeing the picture as if everyone has the same needs and this is not true. Not everyone uses cPanel and not everyone just sells hosting and domains.

Of maybe someone needs the billing + Cloudstack and does not care about domains and shared hosting, etc. So why would you include something someone may not need and even wants to bother with? Example, I just provide cloud, and nothing more, or I just provide domains without hosting, I may just need 1 specific module or maybe 2, and not all of them. There is absolutely no combo there that can work because a company could only target 1 product, 2 products, or any of them. And usually the companies that target allot of things do everything bad, as opposed to the ones that sell one specific thing and focus mainly on that alone.

You could be activating orders manually or using something custom build. In that case you don´t need the cPanel module, you can automate the task on your own. Or you could just need OnAPP module alone since that is all you offer....

The idea that people add their own module is ok and smart since every business needs is different. This can adapt to everyone needs depending on what their business is doing.

The core billing system allows this, it allows you to create manual task and automate your own stuff and modules.

Now even if you add the cPanel module or any other module, its very affordable:

Core Lite 99$
cPanel Module: 199$

298$

Its cheap. And you get the option to grow in the future and buy everything you want with additional modules.

I don´t think its fair to compare it to WHMCS or Blesta, it has 100 times more features today than both products together in terms of features and possible expansion with features. I tried both of them and I saw gazillion things missing on them which I could not do or I was stuck that Hostbill has.

You don´t compare those 2 to Ubersmith either do you? I always compared Hostbill against Ubersmith because it has cloud, servers and colo features as other billing stayed in simple hosting and domains for ever.

If you want to go into a price war there are also 50$ billing scripts and even free, but you need to compare them to Blesta either because of features. Yes, Hostbill has no support, yes, Hostbill reputation is awful, but in terms of price its cheap if we compare it to Ubersmith because in some areas while it may not be as mature as Ubersmith it has more features than Ubersmith and Ubersmith costs a small fortune.

Hostbill is expensive if you want everything, but even then, it will still be cheaper than Ubersmith and to be honest, who in their right mind will use all modules? If you do, then you surely have the budget to pay it, because it means you have VmWare setups, Citrix setups, cPanel servers, Plesk Servers, multiple DNS clusters, multiple Virtualized boxes, etc, I mean common, who would need everything? Most companies sell one or two products and focus on them exclusively, because you can´t sell everything that shines under the sun, if you do, you are out of business very soon as someone will just sell one thing and do it right.

Most people don´t compare Ubersmith to Blesta or WHCMS either for the same reason of features and customers, actually Ubersmith misses basic domain management features and things both WHCMS, Blesta and Hostbill does as well but is very mature in other areas.

Hostbill does all of them, while its not that mature and has some bugs its evolving fast in the last couple of years and as I see it still keeps evolving even with their problems there is more and more things you can with it every month.

I think the current license prices and models fits everyone, starter and bigger companies and its very affordable for what you get in terms of features and if you are a big company you will not have a problem paying for a support package either.

You don´t honestly think a basic company needs cPanel/WHM, DirectAdmin, Plesk, Enkompass, Helm, Ensim, InterWorx, DotNetPanel/WebsitePanel, Lxadmin, Virtualmin Pro, XPanel  like you said.

A basic company that starts out probably is going with 1 single software to power all its hosting services so they will need one module alone and hostbill that is 300$.

If someone is starting a hosting business and things 300$ is allot then I would advise them to not start their business in the first place since they will have plenty of more costs than that.

I think Hostbill understand this, they don´t want Joe at home that resells hosting from a 20$ reseller plan, they want to attract people that are serious into the business and if you are way to cheap, you will attract people that setup a hosting business today and 3 months later they are gone. I know this happen to them before, when they had the leased licenses, I went to a page that made designs for hostbill customers, and 99% of them where offline one year later.

If you go to cheap you attract cheap people not people that are serious into starting a business. About unprofitable prices, it was a concern I had as well (with no fixed incomes they could potentially have after a sale) but you do realize that you pay an annual maintenance fee for each module you have now right? This is very profitable for them and this is why they want people that keep using their software, not that just start a 3 month venture. If memory servers me right, the core has no updates fee, except on the lite version but modules have, and you also pay if you want support, + new modules they may release. That seems like a decent steady flow of income to me.