Is this even a relevant category here at hostbillforums.com???

[tallship]

If you ever wondered whether kbkp software pays attention to what their userbase thinks, feels, wants, or needs, then you might be reading this right now.

If you think kbkp's treatment of their customer base is top-notch, then of course your not reading this, and you don't even know that hostbillforums.com exists - so why would even care about this poll?

But if since you obviously are here, then it's obviously the former, rather than the latter; so do you think that it even matters, or has any relevance at all to kbkp what hostbill users such as yourself say here about your wants, desires, and needs?

No, Mr Howell and the Skipper are not valid options in this poll

[Lawrence]

I'm gonna sticky this for two reasons.

1. To keep it separate from all the other feature requests since it's not a feature request.

2. Because I'm interested in the results of this poll, and could lead to other ideas.

[thetrusteeco]

Absolutely!  I gave up on the HostBill forums months back, and just found out this forum existed yesterday!

Why is it relevant? Because we all need new apps/mods.  At WHMCS there is a community, and an App Store.  Need an app to do (?) .... look in the app store.  I know of several app developers that are/have/would be developing for Hostbill instead of WHMCS if there was a community where they could find out what HB users wanted, and a way to communicate that the apps are available to the HB user base.  In a few months (IMO) those developers will all be entrenched in the Blesta community, we have to get them now!

Beyond that, I think we all know that Kris might be brilliant at coding, but has issues comprehending reality. (I honesty think the guy is Autistic - not a medic opinion).  If Kris can focus on fixing bugs and leave the development to thrid parties, he can avoid 75% of complaints, and we can have a functional system.

Thank you guys for setting this up!

[tallship]

In a few months (IMO) those developers will all be entrenched in the Blesta community, we have to get them now!

That's a very interesting point to consider. In fact, we all might want to consider some kind of escrow account for picking up a cheap HostBill license so we can make devel environments available and attractive for third party developers too - if that would help catalyze things. I'd be willing to kick in twenty bucks toward such a thing.

I have a Blesta license, and it's shaping up real nice for webhosting, but after speaking with Paul a few times over the phone I don't see it making inroads into the VPS community anytime (via CloudStack or VMware or Xen, directly) soon. Not being a fan of rented software, we don't use SolusVM here, and we don't do OpenVZ anyway, which is where SolusVM really got its foothold in the cloud provider community.

This particular poll is shaping up along the lines of sentiment that I had rather expected so far, but.... No one's choosing MaryAnne!

Everyone knows MaryAnne ALWAYS beats out Ginger

[thetrusteeco]

I was going to vote for Ginger, but then I realized it wasn't the Spice-Girl!

I saw yesterday that HostBill has a dev-license @ $300. (Is it $300 per year?) Perhaps it's been there all along but I never noticed before.

Honestly, I think if we just stopped the "Kris is an idiot" stuff he'd probably give a dev-license to this forum for free. This group-moderated approach should free up a lot of his time for coding.  If we're hosting it for legit reasons (3rd party developers) that I believe he'd see the value.  Of course he has to get his finger off that price-change button be built for his computer before consumer confidence returns!

I just posted information about modules under development and for sale by modulesgarden.com and vasicka.eu. I know the owner of Vasicka is a HostBill owner, and I think ModuleGardens has their own Dev License, but I'd love to have one available for non-HB users that are curious.  Even just a working demo! (Kris: you don't have to pay for the license, you already own the code!)

I work with WHMCS modders from around the world.  I've wanted to switch 100% to Hostbill for 2 years, but there are some bugs that stop us and we are now developing another WHMCS site, I dislike WHMCS, but the modder-community is excellent. We need that here.  I have written mods for WHMCs and the core is very limited (IMO).  If we get those people over here, it changes the game.  If they go to Blesta, I will follow them because they actually make WHMCS worth using.  Imagine what they could do with HostBill!

As a side note: Given the "disgruntled" HB owners, maybe we can just buy a older $45 maintenance license from someone that doesn't want it anymore and use it for the developer site. If we pick up 3 old licences we can also run a demo-site, and a 3rd-Party App Store!  Not sure what Kris' opinion of this would be, but $45 per year is better than $0 for a license someone abandoned. - SELF EDIT: They're non-transferable.

Anyway, I'll match the $20 offered above, but not if it's $300 per year because currently I don't think that's sustainable.

[jeffrey404]

Question,

Are the dev licenses encoded as well or are they opened up? I have a feeling they are encoded which is no use to me as there are some core features we would like to modify.

[thetrusteeco]

I don't know. I expect they are standard licenses that are monitored for activity.

We would need to get Kris to confirm this, and also if it's $300 per year, or $300 once, or $300 now and $45 per year.  Please don't flame me on this, I know how hard it is to get Kris to talk, or agree to a price for any length of time.  Again, I think that Kris could be convinced to let one Dev License go for free or cheap to this group (hostbillforums.com) if we agree to monitor it.

To your issue, I am going to open another thread related to your (and my) issue with encrypted bugs.  I'll be back within an hour to post a link.  I don't want to derail this thread. 

EDIT: I just opened up this thread about a decrypted version.

[Patrick]

I don't know. I expect they are standard licenses that are monitored for activity.

We would need to get Kris to confirm this, and also if it's $300 per year, or $300 once, or $300 now and $45 per year.  Please don't flame me on this, I know how hard it is to get Kris to talk, or agree to a price for any length of time.  Again, I think that Kris could be convinced to let one Dev License go for free or cheap to this group (hostbillforums.com) if we agree to monitor it.

To your issue, I am going to open another thread related to your (and my) issue with encrypted bugs.  I'll be back within an hour to post a link.  I don't want to derail this thread. 

I'd almost guarantee they are standard licenses, and it's based on an honor system most the time.  Until he implements code to label the pages "DEVELOPER EDITION" or similar it'll be standard licenses.  The risk is if you get caught then you loose your money and your developer license.  Anyone to use it as a standard license is a fool anyway    A dev license should be locked behind IP restricted access as it's for you to develop off of or to do beta testing with before upgrading your live environment. A dev license goes back down to $45, i'll be buying one in a heartbeat