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[Patrick]

Well if you want to get any messages to him, one of his minions appear to be on WHT arguing with everyone defending hostbill thick and thin.  I've already had 4-5 people PM me about this guy... cartika-andrew or whatever his name is.

[tallship]

I've never really had *much* use for WHT. I read it from time to time, end up there, have posted a few tuts (not completely sure about that, actually), but it's really mostly just a lot of noise and gorilla like chest thumping, even howard forums has value in the signal to noise ratio, can't say the same for WHT, generally speaking.

But I set out over there to stir the pot, because I was angry at kbkp for some (actually illegal) things Kris did to me. As a soapbox, it's a great place to send ripples through the pond.

This cartika guy, whoever he is and I'm not bothering to look now, is a day late and a dollar short, IMO. A few of us opened up threads over there exposing what was happening to us, which contributed to some great degree, I believe, the eventual culmination of these forums here.

One of the threads I started ended up thirteen pages long in just two or three days before the mods arbitrarily decided it was too popular, and HostBill apparently wasn't a "control panel" application that deserving of discussion.

I just love the way they do their little potty dancing, "I don't like that product so I'm closing the thread", over there, lol.

So this cartika guy or girl, can't inject any comments in some of the most telling, and perhaps foreboding WHT threads on HostBill that are forever preserved for posterity in the search engine indexes.

That's gotta hurt - if not now, then later, when people ask a Kris who is back on his meds, "So... What were you thinking back then? And what assurances to we have that this will never occur again?"

For example:

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https://www.google.com/search?q=hostbill+insane&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.gnu.gnuzilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox


Boom! #Uno!

Any shills sent out obo kbkp to defend the dollar, will only have repercussions in the form of an equal and opposite newtonian principle.

All anybody really wants, after all, is for him to clean up his act and fix his foshizzle. It's not like the people here don't like the software, which seems to generally be the case at WHT.

kindest regards,

[thetrusteeco]

Yeah that thread is going to hurt KBKP a long time.  Mainly because they didn't at any point bother to even say "no engliish"

I know I'm going to be a pariah here if I keep making excuses for these guys, but I walked away from HostBill (KBKP/forums) for almost 6 months.  I reinvested my time and money in WHMCS (which also has bugs), because I had customers that I just couldn't port over to the HostBill site, as more than 1 year after reporting some critical bugs, they had still not been dealt with.  You guys that have been dealing with this mess all along are my heroes!  I had seriously given up on HostBill until these forums appeared!

Regarding "Kris":
As for my previous Autism Theory, I think I was 100% wrong.  I just found out there are two Chrises.  What are the odd of 2 autistic guys named Chris starting a company?  I guess that leaves 2 options:
1) the Chrises are just Jerks, and
2) the Chrises are both the uber-nerd anti-social type that just can't be bother to talk to others (we all get that way sometimes... right?)
Given the code they're producing, I guess / hope for the Uber-Nerd Theory.

Regarding "cartika-andrew":
Cartika has been around as a company, and in WHT for a long time.  I don't know this guy personally, but do know a bit about the company's history.  I am not a customer or business partner of theirs and am not promoting or endorsing them.

They've have to do a lot of in-house development of H-Sphere since Parallels bought out PSoft.  At one point they did try to sue Parallels for not providing "life-time" support for H-Sphere, as was in their contract at the time of purchase.  I think that's were Andrew comes into conflict with the rest of us, because he's been down this path before.

I'm guessing that he's defending KBKP because he really does want them to continue developing HostBill, and not just say "had enough!" and walk away.  And to me fare, I think everyone that bothers to join these forums is in that boat.  We do want HostBill to continue to be developed.

I wonder though if he's in a forum somewhere right not trying to justify that $75 Talk to CEO "feature", or if he's just scratching his head too.

[Patrick]

I had more then 1 person PM me over at WHT that andrew guy is a little more involved than he says.  They have proof of it or seen it but can't find it.  Basically said once they find it from a year or or two ago, they plan to call him out on it.  So it should be interesting.  This 1 person specifically wants to call him out, and i've had at least another 4 saying nearly the same thing.  All very highly respected people over there that do not cause trouble.

When the dude is arguing tooth protecting Hostbill and getting upset that people are "insulting" him, to me that sounds like a friend backing up a friend.  Too much drama, and for that reason alone, I don't browse WHT much anymore.  I feel like it's grade school and an outlet for everyone to whine and cry and bully the weak.  Moderators randomly closing threads because they deem the conversation has been talked to death (isn't that the point of a forum? maybe i'm confused).

About "kris", did you find out elsewhere? or are you talking about my post?  if elsewhere, do share as i'm curious what other info has come to light.

All of us in the same boat.
Absolutely, we're all struggling to find reason behind twisted logic, lack of regression testing & lack of motivation to fix critical bugs.  Sometimes i feel we're all a button away from shutdown by continued use of Hostbill.  We're all gambling quite honestly.  That said, i wouldn't go on defending the Christopher's of Hostbill as Andrew has constantly.  His heightened level of defensiveness when it comes to a negative post puts him beyond a regular business owner like you or I.  I don't believe each of us should be pissing stones and angry every day, but as of late...there are some tells that say more then he probably wants.

I'll go with #1 of your multi-choice by the way.  Simply because anti-social doesn't stop you from proper business management.  Maybe they run business in Poland differently? I doubt it, few buddies of mine who are Polish are incredibly business savvy and they are mechanics.   

[thetrusteeco]

ModulesGarden / INBS is Polish, and they're great, so it's not a Polish thing.  Funny how 1 (2) Guy/s can put you off a whole country.

I once had to deal with this Egyptian .... most Egyptians are nice.

Anyway, I was just going off your post about the 2 Christophers.  I haven't looked into it.

Regarding Andrew (Cartika) I just thought I'd post some background for those that don't know (my previous post).

His attitude in WHT regarding HostBill is perplexing though, it "feels" a lot like a few years ago when the Burst.net guys were in there defending vePortal.  I still don't know how much those companies are connected but they're one of only 2 partners (resellers) listed on the vePortal website, and the other doesn't exist anymore...

If there is a Cartika-KBKP backroom deal, it might turn out good for us; Cartika's got their own coders.  I believe "Kris" provides some kind of "Premium Support" for the "bigger customers", as someone mentioned it in the old forums.  I would guess these guys are in that group.

[bsmith]

For what it is worth, I cannot login using my active license or hostbillapp.com profile.

[nldaniel]

https://github.com/hostbill/  <-- now gives a 404; so they no longer provide the nice template changelog for people upgrading who need to merge any fixes.

[tallship]

https://github.com/hostbill/  <-- now gives a 404; so they no longer provide the nice template changelog for people upgrading who need to merge any fixes.

You have to fork and clone it. It's still there - just not where it was. I just did a quick look and I can't find the link off hand but you can follow the links in the threads here and get to the link: http://www.hostbillforums.com/index.php/topic,124.msg965.html#msg965

I wish I had a few moments to dig up the actual post itself, but there's breadcrumb links that will link you to the github repo. Once you get there, you should fork and clone that repo. which was the recommendation I made a few days ago.

[tallship]

I found it. Here it is: http://www.hostbillforums.com/index.php/topic,125.0.html

That's a pretty important thread topic BTW, A lot of people need that resource and kbkp destroyed it so only those of us who bothered to fork and clone it still have it - fortunately, you still have access to it because other's took the time to do that, so please, join the forking party and help spread that resource around okay?

Kindest regards,

[nldaniel]

Hi Tallship,

Thanks for your quick reply, looks like our life time support just got revoked (purchased hostbill 1.5 years ago) so it is very nice to have people to talk to about this.

It looks like you have forked hostbill template changes at 4.5.8; however does he still update his repo so we need to fork for every update?

I think I might just diff the template directory and manually process any changes back into out custom template :/

[ModulesGarden]

I have read all the posts in this thread and I would like to add one thing.

We, the ModulesGarden company under the INBS Group, have no direct contact with KBKB HostBill. Reason is pretty simple and quite ridiculous as you already noticed - HostBill seems to not want to talk nor cooperate with nearly no one.

Everything we did/do for HostBill we did/do entirely on our own, without any conversations nor agreements with them.

[Patrick]

Hi Tallship,

Thanks for your quick reply, looks like our life time support just got revoked (purchased hostbill 1.5 years ago) so it is very nice to have people to talk to about this.

It looks like you have forked hostbill template changes at 4.5.8; however does he still update his repo so we need to fork for every update?

I think I might just diff the template directory and manually process any changes back into out custom template :/

Could you start a thread under general discussion about this as i'd like to ask you a couple of questions publically that would shed some light on some fears regarding revoking things.  I don't want to go off topic here so that would be great if you could

[nibb]

I can access it but there is a change now. The whole modules section is gone. Before at least it was there and it require log in, now its not there.

It requires complete login to access this, and the message there says:

Access is available for accounts created before 2013-05-27

This is nasty. I mean, it does not affect me, because I have access, but this is so unfair to third party developers and new customers.

Like I said in some others posts, if other companies where doing this to Kris, he would not have a software today. For example, just to put one single example, he recently developed a Pingdom module, and he did this using their API, imagine if they did not allowed third party development either? There would be no Hostbill Pingdom module.

Same with cPanel, Enom, or what ever you call it, the whole Hostbill software relies on the API and developers friendly interfaces of other software and services, his income depends on this, and he closes other out of this software? This is truly evil. He benefits from others being open, but he does not allow the same, and we are the customers here, we are the ones being hurt by this, if nobody else can develop anything for hostbill. It seems someone is afraid of competition which is bad. You should welcome competition because it makes you work harder and be better.

[tallship]

Could you start a thread under general discussion about this as i'd like to ask you a couple of questions publically that would shed some light on some fears regarding revoking things.  I don't want to go off topic here so that would be great if you could

As I recall, I already did. I believe the thread is entitled something like, "Let's all have a forking party", or something like that

[tallship]

Oh my bad lol. You weren't addressing me lol.