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[ModulesGarden]

I am interested in more information about the Advanced Reseller For HostBill. Feel free to post in the developer section regarding this, it sounds interesting from the title alone. (Sorry if I've gone a bit off topic here)

Practically everything that has been established regarding the Advanced Reseller For HostBill has been posted in the thread that the thetrusteeco presented. Many thanks for that!
Most probably module will be released in July (still hard to predict the date) and the closer the 'deadline', the more concrete information regarding it's features will show up from our side.
Certain is that the module will be really powerful and that's our main goal.

Feel free to participate in the discussion on our Forums. We are open for any ideas. The more suggestions we receive, the better final result will be.

[Lawrence]

Thanks a lot thetrusteeco for that detailed explanation, very detailed!

Most probably module will be released in July (still hard to predict the date) and the closer the 'deadline

Aim for my birthday, July 27. But really, after reading thetrusteeco's explanation, that's the same functionality I've requested Kris to introduce into HostBill (First of it's kind for billing software) and he's never done this. I'm really looking forward to this, big kudos ModulesGarden. This would also allow a network of HostBill users to sell other users services. Great stuff!

[Lawrence]

ModulesGarden, how does the recent changes to HostBill Terms affect your modules? I will probably buy your Advanced Reseller module, but I'm hoping HostBill's recent changes doesn't delay that feature. It's something I've asked Kris a loooong time ago, and it hasn't been implemented yet.

[thetrusteeco]

+1 for me on that App.

Let us know what you guys are thinking of the new/current policy regarding 3rd Party Applications.

[ModulesGarden]

We are negatively surprised and disappointed of this ridiculous changes in their Terms of Service. Such ignorant decisions will significantly decrease the product flexibility and credibility especially for common users. In such case, HostBill improvements and module integrations are no longer any business for ModulesGarden. It appears that once again HostBill shoot themselves in the knee.

Nevertheless we will release one and very last module for HostBill which is nearly ready: DirectAdmin For HostBill.

[enddo]

The point of your approach is acceptable in one point of view.
But from Kris side; he has two market to get paid.
1- Owned licences
2- Plugins

Now you are in the same market. And may be you might have more money that Kris would get from owned licence sales.

What I may ask here is; you can try to contact with Kris and give a share from your modules.
You get in his Store and he also gets comission/share from your modules.
That would be a kind of win/win solution.

[Patrick]

The point of your approach is acceptable in one point of view.
But from Kris side; he has two market to get paid.
1- Owned licences
2- Plugins

Now you are in the same market. And may be you might have more money that Kris would get from owned licence sales.

What I may ask here is; you can try to contact with Kris and give a share from your modules.
You get in his Store and he also gets comission/share from your modules.
That would be a kind of win/win solution.

But we know KBKP will not accept.  They closed off development to anyone after May 26th meaning they have zero interest in any help, anyone or any thing

[Lawrence]

Nevertheless we will release one and very last module for HostBill which is nearly ready: DirectAdmin For HostBill.

Was really looking forward to the advanced reseller module. Bummer! I guess we can only hope that HostBill's ways changes as far as developers goes.

Would you consider doing a "Pledge" system for modules such as the Advanced Reseller module? X amount of people pledge to buy it, then if it hits the target, you develop it?

[thetrusteeco]

Lawrence,

The owner of Vasicka Software stated he was interested in the idea of creating a domain reseller system when I spoke with him several months ago, but also said he didn't currently have the time, but might late in 2013 or early 2014.  He might consider making this module if ModuleGardens doesn't want to as he is a "legacy HostBill owner" like us.

Honestly I wish hadn't posted information about Vasicka Software and ModulesGarden here...

[electric]

What I may ask here is; you can try to contact with Kris and give a share from your modules.
You get in his Store and he also gets comission/share from your modules.
That would be a kind of win/win solution.

This is a good idea in theory, but it is a terrible reality.

The reality is that if Kris accepts some kind of profit-sharing partnership, then he would simply not pay his partner.  We have already seen that Kris is not a good business person. It would not be even a tiny little surprise if he decided to steal from his partners.

Why would any serious business decide to risk their time/effort/money by partnering with Kris or Hostbill in any capacity?

[tallship]

Honestly I wish hadn't posted information about Vasicka Software and ModulesGarden here...

Oh please don't say that. Really, when you posted that it was for the community of users, something that kbkp doesn't respect or care about.

Had you not posted it, then many people here would not be aware of the modules that are available, affordable, and better than those produced by kbkp themselves. That in and of itself is worth it.

But moreover, posting that yielded positive results in another way too - to force the hand of kbkp showing their true colors, that they're a despicable company unworthy of any future business by what could have been potentially thousands of new customers.

I'm not sorry that I posted the thread about the forking party either, because having done so, it also served to pull that marionette's strings prompting him to remove those community resources - resources that were forked by dozens of people now, and are therefore available. Something kbkp would have removed anyway, but now they can't take it away from the community.

We all now know that they're a very bad company, with a second rate lead developer who doesn't adhere to even the standard practices that almost every junior software developer knows is necessary before releasing new versions of software.

And now the whole world knows to stay away from HostBill as any sort of viable platform for delivering services. It's dying, already dead for any new business, and that last post by ModulesGarden was the epitaph. Just look at the number of other billing systems out there which still theoretically exist, but really don't anymore - HostBill has now become one of those. Does anyone still use modernbill, for example?

There are newer and better projects on the horizon, and HostBill will probably still continue to suffice for the next year while all new customers are funneled into other platforms, existing customers are migrated to other existing platforms and we look to even greater possibilities in our industry.

I suspect that in many ways this forum, once HostBill hast met its eventual demise, will also morph into a "HostBill" community where the users are still operators, but of other viable platforms. We're building a camaraderie here that I believe will transcend our transitions to other platforms, and this forum community will simply expand with more boards supporting the independent communities of users who migrate to those platforms.

The whole vibe here is totally different from that of WHT and other forums, we're actual operators, where many participants on those other sites aren't, and those sites serve to market those providers somewhat, and we don't do that here. We solve real problems, lean on each other for support, and have a place where we can tell nightmares about the software developers and customers alike, w/o having to wonder when some mod  will arbitrarily close a thread because it is popular with the members.

There aren't any *customers* here, for us to posture ourselves over, or beat on our chests, and climb over the top of each other to court - this is about us, the software we use to support our customer bases, they ways in which we use our software and design our networks, and the problems we face and resolve together toward those endeavors.

By being such an meat head, and disenfranchising their user base, kbkp has actually done us all a favor, at the expense of ensuring their own downfall, and relegation to the downtrodden and insignificant annals of forgotten software legacy.

I hope that helps

Kindest regards,

[thetrusteeco]

And now the whole world knows to stay away from HostBill as any sort of viable platform for delivering services. It's dying, already dead for any new business, and that last post by ModulesGarden was the epitaph. Just look at the number of other billing systems out there which still theoretically exist, but really don't anymore - HostBill has now become one of those. Does anyone still use modernbill, for example?

I believe ModernBill became part of the Evil Parallels Empire, AKA Plesk Billing.  I have seen a few companies using it.  I haven't really looked into it much because I didn't like the way Parallels burnt all those H-Sphere (et al.) license owners a few years back.  I also don't like their "cavalier" attitude in their forums.

I suspect that in many ways this forum, once HostBill hast met its eventual demise, will also morph into a "HostBill" community where the users are still operators, but of other viable platforms. We're building a camaraderie here that I believe will transcend our transitions to other platforms, and this forum community will simply expand with more boards supporting the independent communities of users who migrate to those platforms.

The whole vibe here is totally different from that of WHT and other forums, we're actual operators, where many participants on those other sites aren't, and those sites serve to market those providers somewhat, and we don't do that here. We solve real problems, lean on each other for support, and have a place where we can tell nightmares about the software developers and customers alike, w/o having to wonder when some mod  will arbitrarily close a thread because it is popular with the members.

There aren't any *customers* here, for us to posture ourselves over, or beat on our chests, and climb over the top of each other to court - this is about us, the software we use to support our customer bases, they ways in which we use our software and design our networks, and the problems we face and resolve together toward those endeavors.

100% agree!  It's nice to be in a place where you can ask a simple question and not have 100 people offer you the cheapest/best/ultimate/more-gooder cpanel hosting, and then have the moderator close up the thread because of whatever, and no one has actually answered your actual question.  I hope if/when Lawrence gives up on HostBill, he keeps this Forum going.

Had you not posted it, then many people here would not be aware of the modules that are available, affordable, and better than those produced by kbkp themselves. That in and of itself is worth it.

But moreover, posting that yielded positive results in another way too - to force the hand of kbkp showing their true colors, that they're a despicable company unworthy of any future business by what could have been potentially thousands of new customers.

If I hadn't have brought up ModulesGarden & Vasicka, KBKP probably wouldn't have changed their policy regarding 3rd Party software.  So, for me anyway, I could have bought the ModulesGarden's modules.  Oh well, they're continuing WHMCS module production, and there have been requests for Blesta modules so maybe when Paul gets out a stable v3 release they'll start-up on that.

Is it just me or does Paul look way to much like a Disney character?

[electric]

.... and there have been requests for Blesta modules so maybe when Paul gets out a stable v3 release they'll start-up on that.

I think that is the plan that Blesta also wants.  They have said in some of their forums posts that they'll release their own modules, but they are hoping that 3rd party developers will embrace their core software/API and develop all kinds of additional modules and plugins to extend the functionality of the basic software.

For this reason, I suggested that Blesta should not be called a "billing software" but more of an "integration" software.

Hopefully, Blesta will become what hostbill could have been.

[tallship]

Hopefully, Blesta will become what hostbill could have been.

+1 that!

[CBlade]

Hopefully, Blesta will become what hostbill could have been.

Same here, i will buy Blesta, even if i will not use, kudos for excellent Paul's work and relation with clients.