Which alternative do you consider ?

[nibb]

Please vote from above in case you:

1. Plan to move
2. Could move if things get worse for you
3. Would move in case of emergency, like Hostbill disappears or tries to force heavy prices on your existing license which you can´t pay

Everyone has or should have a plan B, you should as well.

[Patrick]

I would say Ubersmith for now until i know more about Blesta.  If Blesta comes out strong, it'd be Blesta hands down

[CBlade]

IDK, i am "one person company" that rent VPS for gaming, i have only 5 server right now, just starting in the open business, then i found hostbill and "look" really nice to me and my new customers, i have a entry-leve VSPP license, so i rely on vmware only, and the hostbill module to auto-deploy and operate the vm templates was really useful, in theory since i cant test it...

Now i caught in the middle of the hostbill storm, now idk what to do, our what software to get, the WHCMS vmware module look terrible, idk what are the alternatives, but i waiting, and loosing customers, maybe is there hope for hostbill madness?

[thetrusteeco]

I'd like to vote on this, but I haven't really rounded it down yet. 

I'm running WHMCS, and developing a new site right now on it (due to 3rd Party Modules), but am looking at Blesta v3, BoxBilling, and honestly anything else that is extendable, because the new "no 3rd Party extensions" kills HostBill for me.  Seriously, what 3rd Party is going to want to make apps now that they have such a limited market?

[John]

Blesta all the way!

[iso99]

Blesta!

Off-topic: Hey nibb, I'm not sure if you're the same nibb in HB forums but I was able to fix your div problem. But we are all eager to move to another system, so I don't think you're interested about it anymore. LOL.

[Patrick]

Blesta!

Off-topic: Hey nibb, I'm not sure if you're the same nibb in HB forums but I was able to fix your div problem. But we are all eager to move to another system, so I don't think you're interested about it anymore. LOL.

He is Nibb from the hostbill forums and WHT

[thetrusteeco]

The way this thread is going we're going to have to change the name of this site to blestaforums.com

I just registered the domain and pointed it to Blesta.com. 

I don't want to start a rival forum (to either this forum or Blesta's), but I'm less sure about HostBill each day.  If in the future this community wants to migrate to Blesta en-mass, we can now switch the domain and keep this forum alive.  There's some good stuff here (and much bitterness).

[tallship]

I voted custom - I thought about "other" since we already have owned licenses for Blesta, WHMCS, and HostBill, and as long as there is utility in using one or more, we might as well use one or more - to some degree or another.

Obviously, there is great concern about the future functionality of HostBill, just to focus on the technical requirements for using software. I won't even go into security updates.

We started custom. Here's some free scripts in case anyone wants to deploy Xen VPS's using rock solid system developed by a friend and occasional colleague of mine: http://dblpl.us/e0866c

That look works just fine for http://prgmr.com, but this has many more bells and whistles than their offerings, and look how popular they are

As you can see, things are not so complicated - making them pretty, is the hard part for goombah's like me. That's the only reason we adopted HostBill. Those scripts are actually much more reliable and efficient than hostbill, and ANY billing system, can be tied into supporting the provisioning and suspension of accounts managed with those scripts - like Blesta

Will it sing and dance for you and generate pretty graphs or do you have to install Zabbix and Cacti and Nagios  and Netflow and RT and other RRD tools and stuff and tie it all together for a system you KNOW will work everytime. Well... yeah, you do. But then at least you won't be scared to update each week - man there was a frenzy here on Friday when people were afraid to update their systems not knowing what would stop working, etc...

That's just disgraceful. No, I mean, THAT's DISGRACEFUL! That so many professional companies cringe in fear at the thought of peforming their weekly upgrade, concerned that they won't be able to feed their families next week after they do and blow their whole business operation sky high!

Disgraceful.

Shame on kbkp.

[Patrick]

The way this thread is going we're going to have to change the name of this site to blestaforums.com

I just registered the domain and pointed it to Blesta.com. 

I don't want to start a rival forum (to either this forum or Blesta's), but I'm less sure about HostBill each day.  If in the future this community wants to migrate to Blesta en-mass, we can now switch the domain and keep this forum alive.  There's some good stuff here (and much bitterness).

Yeah i was going to comment earlier if this poll is really appropriate around here.  Not sure what the community thinks.

[Lawrence]

I will not be voting in this poll, but I will say that I do have a backup plan. HostBill will remain my personal choice until (if) things get really bad, but for now I will continue to synchronize my database with my alternate.

I've tried Blesta about 3 years ago, I can't say that I like it. Many features were buggy, but the general concept looked pretty good. Not sure how far they've come.

One thing I'd like to point out, I see a few people are considering Ubersmith. The starting prices are very high.

Entry points range from $149 / month to $699 / month, and additional fees are based on the number of customers and devices being managed through Ubersmith.

Just to put some things into perspective. I strongly disagree that many, if any of us will head on over to them.

[tallship]

Ubersmith, OnApp, and SolusVM are best leveraged for a good Roi when you pack as many CPU cores and as much RAM as possible into a single box - that's fine if you're using a SAN, but do be really cost effective, we're talking about boxes with at least 16 plus cores and 128GB RAM or more in each machine.

[thetrusteeco]

(Clipped)
We started custom. Here's some free scripts in case anyone wants to deploy Xen VPS's using rock solid system developed by a friend and occasional colleague of mine: http://dblpl.us/e0866c
(Clipped)

Did you see the License agreement on that page?

Obviously it comes with no warranty or anything.

I don't pretend to be a master scripter/programmer, you will likely find many issues with whats included, there is no need to inform me about it.

Kris should have a license agreement like that, and none of us would be complaining! 

Anyway tallship thanks for the info.

[tallship]

No problem

You will of course, need to tweak the scripts to use in your environment, and there's a little bit of work to do if you want to use the latest kernels in deb, or you can just go with what it's designed to work with since we're just talking about hypervisors. Any other billing system that can make calls executing shell commands can take advantage of these scripts (once you tweak them to your particular needs), and there's your pretty interface

Don't thank me, thank David, he whup'ed it out and we adopted to suit our needs

Gosh I just love that GPL license, do with as thou wilt, but thou must includeth thy source code

[tallship]

Oh, and while we're at it, I think it's a good idea to star, watch, and fork the repos HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, and HERE, in case anything happens to them. You'll need to reference some of that material while developing your own stuff considering we're all on our own now and 3rd party developers are effectively locked out a/o 4.6.0+, meaning, interest from third party developers is going to shrivel up and die since HostBill is now officially a dwindling market with diminishing returns available ONLY from people who owned their licenses prior to 4.6.0.

At the very least, if you don't want to fork/clone the repos above, then watch the these two below:

https://github.com/krispajak

https://github.com/hostbill

You might need them for your own devel needs now that there's not going to be any further support there and we're all on our own on that front.

And you might want to watch these, or fork the two pages of these others too: http://dblpl.us/3e8343